Talk:Number C32: Shark Drake Veiss

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Where is the proof? This seems pretty fake. I would think a more "important" number like 17 would be the next chaos change XYZ. --Lord skelic (talk • contribs) 01:32, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

well, no.17 isn't even being used anymore. yuma is only depending on Hope/Utopia. and, shark only has no.32. 24.83.215.20 (talk) 03:10, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

err, this is probably the most significant number that isn't number 39 or 96. and shark currently has it, meaning a rival has something to compete with C39. DreadKaiser (talk • contribs) 01:38, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Remember to check Shriek before asking for the source. Since the source is usually from there. http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/96986330/

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:36, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

If this turns out to be real, then i was correct about Shark getting a Chaos No. like Yuma. I don't where or what talk page it but i do remember typing it down on it. --108.225.20.64 (talk) 01:57, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

When i first read this i wasn't thinking 'oh this must be fake' i was thinking OMG THIS SOUNDS AWESOME!!!! Epic Lee (talk • contribs) 12:30, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Also how can Shark do that without Astral? Yuma had to "overlaying" himself with Astral to "gain" Chaos Number at start... Unlike Kite Tenjo who successful gained red aura to summon Neo Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon... --FredCat 12:42, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Yuma had to overlay himself with Astral to use the Zexal Weapons, not to use Chaos Numbers, and do you guys think this card needs 4 level 4 monsters? 189.18.146.80 (talk) 17:47, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, right, thank you for point that out...again. And I am fairly sure you're right in that way - maybe making it 4 Level 4 WATER Monsters, like Utopia Ray required LIGHT. And also, Vice would get same spot of "Number" appear as his original version does, like Utopia Ray revealed. --FredCat 17:51, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

It could be 4 Level 4 monsters or not. Remember cards like Sacred Ptolemys Messier 7 and Thunderclap Knight - Gaia Dragoon. They could get Xyz Materials that are over their limits, but they aren't Chaos Numbers, so it could be wrong. From what i know about how Yuma gets Utopia Ray, it was sorta based on its own feelings. Yuma was hesitant about using Numbers, but then he fixed that and started to go offensive. Still, i dont' know how Shark is feeling in the future. 24.83.215.20 (talk) 21:25, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

I hope Chaos No.32 Shark Drake Vice has a effect thats similar to it's orginal form but an evolved version of it... and since its a chaos monster add a banish effect to it. like when it destroys a card by battle it's banish from the game or something like. --108.225.20.64 (talk) 23:48, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe that or maybe complete different... like make it lost 2000 ATK instead or so I don't know. --FredCat 00:00, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Hope's XYZ Summon requirement is 2 L4 monsters and Hope ray's XYZ summon is 3 L4 Light Monsters. Shark Drake's XYZ summon is 3 L4 mosnters. Shouldn't Shark Drake Vice's XYZ requirement be 4 L4 Water monsters?--Wasn't 21:11, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

That can be possible - but it will be also different from what we knew. So please wait till it's OCG version is confirmed. Thank you --FredCat 21:13, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

For all that we know so far, It is just as likely that it will be "3 Level 4 Light monsters". on order to make all C#s into LIGHT requirements. I am keeping a close eye on this so I hope something is leaked soon. :P --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 05:28, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

It looks like they stop the patterned since it was going to be above 3 XYZ materials if they continue it it would have been 4 L4 Water Mosnters. They did keep the attribute of from it's orignal... I think the next Choas number will follow this pattern till it reaches 3 XYZ Materials.--Wasn't 02:06, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

I guess the pattern continues. I thought it stopped.--Wasn't 00:52, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Has no one seen the episode?? Vice is real he has an amazing ability and he had to summon Vice to defeat IV in the tournament because IV summoned Gimmick Puppet Destiny Leo and after it used up its overlay units it won the duel well he summoned Shark Drake and then it became Shark Drake Vice and it weakened Destiny Leo and destroyed him for the win he was able to become C32 because of the guy with the mask i forget his name but ya this card is awesome and i cant wait to have it in my collection

Pay attention to the timestamps. This conversation is from last May, before the episode aired or the card was released. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:28, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Moving to Shark Drake Vice

Shouldn't we move this to only Number C32: Shark Drake Vice? The Number 32 page is now renamed only "Number 32: Shark Drake", i think we should move this because when "Chaos Number 39: Aspiring Emperor Hope Ray" was revealed, its name here in the wikia was changed to only "Utopia Ray" because apparently in the TCG, it is currently "Number 39: Utopia" so why is this card not getting the same treatment? 33royward (talk • contribs) 15:48, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Of course we would do that - but we need to have OCG name released first; "Utopia" has advanced version that only added "Ray" along with "C-" to number. So till then, when that OCG version is revealing; we will know why. --iFredCat 15:54, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

And He's Here

Hi! I'm YRPOtaku169! 12:46, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
Just added the image and the confirmed effect.
http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/283165-number-c32-shark-drake-vice/

Weiß?

I found out a discussion about name of that monster. That discussion hinted that maybe the intended name was "Shark Drake Weiß" (white in German, it's spelled the same). It makes more sense, as this monster is white one. What do you think? Final Cannon Dyskusja 18:23, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

• It may be a pun in Japanese, since both "vice" and "weiss" are written and pronounced the same in Japanese. However, there is no evidence to support it at the moment. We'll just have to wait for the English name.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 18:27, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

The name actually is Number C32: Shark Drake Weiss. I was roaming around Dueling Network, and a user used Number C32: Shark Drake Weiss, not Number C32: Shark Drake Vice. RjGraffiti! LET GO OF MY SATIFACTION CHAIN! 12:14, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Again, the Dueling Network is a fan made project. It is NOT official.

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:18, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Like Falzar said, you should paying attention to the introduce section of that site - It don't interfering with Konami or any company related to that place. It was created for the people to have fun and learn to play games (without rulings, heavily badly) --iFredCat 12:28, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

If DN says that you should Jump off to the end of the world, would you jump? We shouldn't always trust DN on names or Effect, Take the new Flaming Dance trap card for example, it said that it gives 1000 ATK boost until the end phase, and then they reduced it to 700. So yeah, the name stays Vice until the official release says otherwise.--E.G.G. (My Contributions) 15:12, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

And it did say otherwise. Only spelled with a V, not a W. Offical or not, it may sometimes be right, it may be not. No offense.--Power32840 (talk • contribs) 20:20, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Weiss

Some user posted this: http://i.imgur.com/rKMkR.jpg It's probably official, but there's a page with that name, so it can't be renamed. MadRest 13:52, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Veiss

Can an admin rename this page? MadRest 11:24, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Glad to see you guys FINALLY realized that it wasn't "Weiss". Out of curiosity, what made you think it was a 'W'? It's clearly blurry, and I'm fairly certain they didn't change their font with Abyss Rising making the letter way too thin to be a 'W'. 184.79.227.75 (talk) 15:52, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

The first image we saw of it was blurry enough that it looked like it could be a "W". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:57, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

if you're blind, maybe. MRenegade (talk • contribs) 17:55, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Blurriness made it appear as though there was a line between the "V". If I didn't know better, I would think it's a "W" as well. I can see how people could be fooled. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 18:06, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

People thought it was 'weiss' because that's how the German word for 'white' is spelled. The only reason the TCG uses Veiss is that 'W' makes the 'V' sound in German. Anyway, why hasn't this page been moved yet? MadRest 15:10, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

And to retain the Vice pun. Again, anyone who seriously believed it was still Weiss after the first blurry picture is some kind of idiot. MRenegade (talk • contribs) 15:38, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

There is no 'Vice' pun. That was just an assumption on our part. I would've renamed it to Weiss ages ago if I knew. But when I found about it, I thought I should just wait for the TCG to confirm it. And, still, no one renamed it? MadRest 18:09, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, you don't know that there isn't a 'Vice' pun. They wouldn't have deliberately named it 'Veiss' for no reason.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 19:19, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I just explained why it's V; Weiss is pronounced with the V sound, not the W sound. The same thing is with Valkyrie; it uses W in German, but V in English. I doubt that there was any intention for Vice in the OCG; they just wanted to use the German word for 'white' because the monster is white; that's all. MadRest 20:10, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Except "valkyrie" is the accepted English equivalent, while 'Veiss' is not. Your theory is that's the reason why they used 'V', but please don't treat it like a fact. You have a bad case of "I think so, so it must be true" syndrome.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 20:22, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Face it; that's just how things work in German, and that's how things are adapted into the English language. I was just stating my highly reasonable opinion. And by the way, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walk%C3%BCre. Did you even bother to look for the German-original word? I'm just saying that, because people won't understand German pronunciation, they need to alter the word so that it can coincide with their language's pronunciation. Seems like you have a case of I-have-trouble-accepting-that-other-people's-theories-make-sense Syndrome. The link I pasted has the pronunciation of Walküre, and you can see that it is pronounced with a 'v', not a 'w', but it's still written with one. MadRest 20:48, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Right, cause I'm the one who has a rampant history of throwing hissy fits when people reject my translations... And yes, that's the point, thanks for making it for me. It is written that way. So, why would they spell it the way it's pronounced? You act like people mispronouncing names is such a massive issue at Konami, baselessly. At least you acknowledge that it is your opinion, though, and not a fact, regardless of how highly reasonable you think it is. (I personally disagree.) I can easily argue that the "Vice" pun is a nod to "Number 17: Levice Dragon" (the previous ace monster of the player who uses this card in the anime), whose anime attack was Vice Stream. It also fits in nicely with "weiss", both of which are pronounced the same way in Japanese, and therefore we can't say for certain what was originally intended. Also a highly reasonable argument which uses more facts than "Konami doesn't want you to say the name wrong, I guess."--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 20:58, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I came up with Levice, but that was before Shark Drake Veiss. Considering that it's completely white in the manga and doesn't use any gray tones, its name is probably Leweiss as well. So again, there is no place for Vice to originate from. MadRest 21:26, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

That point didn't even make the slightest bit of sense. "It's white in the manga, so any other evidence is moot." GJ. And it doesn't matter if you "came up" with Levice, the attack name supported that translation. It's highly unlikely that "Leweiss" is the intended translation of Number 17 - the manga is black and white, we don't know what colour it was intended to be, and considering in all colour sources, it's blue, I'd argue that is the intended colour.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 21:33, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

The attack name is also Weiss Stream. Blue-Eyes White Dragon has 'white' in its name, but it's blue in the anime, so I don't see where you're going with this. If it were blue, it would've had a gray tone; it wouldn't be completely white. That's not even the discussion here; it's indisputable that some words are altered to fit the English language. Like with Gishki, the second 'i' was eliminated because it's not pronounced. Here, the 'w' is pronounced differently, so it was changed into 'v'. That's the most logical conclusion of why it was changed into 'v'. Vice is just an assumption, as I said, since we didn't expect it to use a German word. MadRest 21:54, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, "Gishki" could be argued to be used as a Japanese corruption of the word "gishiki", just like the OCG archetype name corrupted the word "ritual" and made "Ritua." That makes far more sense. Why would they opt to use a foreign word at all if they're worried about pronunciation issues? Elemental HERO Bubbleman is mostly white in the manga, guess he must be white too. That can't possibly be blue! And Elemental HERO Woodsman is also white, we're all delusional when we see green. Also, look carefully at the other manga pictures of Leviathan Dragon, it does have grey undertones. Face it, your points aren't supported. Every point provided by you and me are presumptions, and none of them have any "decisive" evidence supporting them, but because Master D thinks something, we all have to. Sad.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 22:03, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

That's because those are colored with light-blue and light-green. Judging on the real-world card, this thing is violet. Usually, for such a dark color, a gray tone is used. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/File:Number17LeviathanDragon-JP-Manga-ZX-NC-Attack.jpg Here, you can see that it's almost extraordinarily white, and it even uses a white beam for an attack. The gray undertones are used for shadows; it's not their real color. I guess when they colored it in the anime, they completely missed the name or something, and gave it a dark tone. I'm not saying that my opinion is right; it's just more right than yours, since the transition of 'w' into 'v' already exists in the word valkyrie. MadRest 22:13, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

So, you could easily argue that Leviathan Dragon was originally light blue and they made it darker, which invalidates the rest of your point. And why are you bringing up valkyrie? The only instance of that change was in the anime with the "Walkure" archetype. There have been no such instances in the actual OCG/TCG, because valkyrie is an established English word that is derived from the Norse word "valkyrja." The German word "Walkure" was coined long after, also based on that same Norse word. So, no, your point isn't any more right. In fact, it's completely wrong as you're basing it on incorrect information.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 22:21, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know why you are so insistent that it is based on 'Vice'. Do you have any proof or reasoning for it? Also, don't edit the translated name! The translated name is the German word for white; that's that. Since we both don't have proof, the simplest and most logical conclusion will be used. That is the German word for 'white'. MadRest 02:27, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

I've spent the last few hours explaining the reasoning behind it. I don't understand why you're so thick-headed that you can't understand a simple concept as "It's vague." I don't agree with what you consider the "simplest and most logical conclusion." バイス can be read as Weiss, Vice or Veiss, and the TCG name supports a combination of both "Weiss" and "Vice", so the "simplest and most logical conclusion" would surely be to go with what the TCG dictates and use "Veiss."--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 02:31, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Very well, but it will still be a portmanteau of the German word, so no double 's'. And those aren't pronounced the same way; Weiss is Vaisu. MadRest 02:36, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

バイス can also be "weiss." And fine.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 02:39, November 4, 2012 (UTC)